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Buffyverse and Beyond - nmcil12
Season 8  
1st-Nov-2010 08:41 pm








If I had to rate my enjoyment level of Season 8 I would probably give it a 3 out of 10. Something about this comic book season just never connected with me - anca, you are right about the ambiguous quality - it's like the reader has to really try hard to find reasonable explanations for the plots and premise. I am still trying hard to find a reason why Buffy/Twangel Cosmic Sex Universe Creation is not total nonsense.

I think that I have finally come to some understanding of why I loved the TV series so much and like the comic book series so little. For me it all comes down finally to the Buffyverse and how metaphor and story telling was used. In the TV series, all the layers worked with great cohesion - the top level story was great entertainment but much more interesting were all the underlying layers of metaphor and depth of character studies. With the comic book series, the surface story does not connect emotionally with the metaphors of the underneath layers. The only connections that I have been able to make is with "Paradise Lost" "The Lost Horizon" "Reign Of Fire" and the power struggles between Queen Elizabeth I and Mary and the love life of Elizabeth, plus the Greek myths. The problem is that even now, how many fans and readers are still having to impose all these speculations and individual theories? This series has gone almost into 4 years now, and Dawn Fan Joke aside, the plot points and logical connections are, IMVHO, simply do not work. I want more, to use that awful phrase that was used in the interviews, I want more meat in my sandwich.

We have parts of the series that make the readers want to feel sympathy and connection with the characters like this one - big Buffy Confessional Moment - but then we have all the "Cosmic Sex" right after a life and death struggle with Twangel - not to mention how Twangel beats up on Buffy and Satsu.  What are the readers and fans suppose to respond to the story and characters with these huge contrasts.  In my world Buffy would be seen as a totally pathetic character - and I mean "pathetic" not as derogatory but as a woman to be pitied for her emotional attachement to Angel/Angelus/Twangel.  She would be seen as a woman without the power to control her own life and heal from her emotional trauma. 


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2nd-Nov-2010 03:23 am (UTC)
In my world Buffy would be seen as a totally pathetic character - and I mean "pathetic" not as derogatory but as a woman to be pitied for her emotional attachement to Angel/Angelus/Twangel.  She would be seen as a woman without the power to control her own life and heal from her emotional trauma. 


THIS. This is why comic!Buffy is a terrible betrayal of S7 Buffy. You sum it up perfectly. In the real world, comic!Buffy would not be viewed as a hero. And she would certainly never, ever be called a feminist or a feminist ideal.

Also, ambiguous quality - it's like the reader has to really try hard to find reasonable explanations for the plots and premise
A sign of awful writing if ever there was one.
2nd-Nov-2010 06:35 am (UTC)
I very much agree about the cohesiveness. It's also that the top layers are done so carelessly, they don't work on their own, because applying basic logic seems to have been asking to much. It's an idiot plot and it damages a lot of in ways you don't even know, if the author is aware of just turning a character into a moron.
2nd-Nov-2010 03:29 pm (UTC)
I don't think that I will ever get over turning Buffy into that "pitiful willing victim" if the season finale leaves the character in this,IMVHO, rabbit hole willing victim.

thank you both for your comments
2nd-Nov-2010 05:43 pm (UTC)
In my world Buffy would be seen as a totally pathetic character - and I mean "pathetic" not as derogatory but as a woman to be pitied for her emotional attachement to Angel/Angelus/Twangel. She would be seen as a woman without the power to control her own life and heal from her emotional trauma.

You know, sometimes I wonder if that's Joss' actual goal - to make Buffy fall. Fall hard. Stop being a hero. To descend in a really dark place. Maybe in hell. I don't know what to expect tomorrow, when the next issue comes out. I'm afraid for Buffy.
2nd-Nov-2010 05:48 pm (UTC)
Thanks for putting it into words. Thing is - even if the writers "un-pity" Buffy in these last issues, the damage in story telling is already done. Even if Buffy will not be the willing victim in the end - the story will be.

I have no words - but i do have an icon.

2nd-Nov-2010 07:42 pm (UTC)
I don't understand the premise of the story: the empowerment spell was good or bad? If it was good, Twilight (the event) hijacked it to came into existence, so it wasn't inevitable. If it was bad because the event is inevitable why didn't just power up from the beginning both Buffy and Angel? Chances were higher for them to stay in "heaven" if Buffy wasn't afraid for her friends. Or at least stay longer as needed just to spent more happy couple time without worrying for those left behind? What was the point of the war against the slayers?
3rd-Nov-2010 04:04 am (UTC)
The entire premise of a new universe, Buffy-Angel/Twangel Cosmic Sex, creation of a universal force from a Slayer and a Vampire is sheer nonsense. This premise only works if we have the Earth Origins being created by Super Beings of enormous intellectual power and magical powers, but IMO, the intellectual powers would be more significant of the two. If the creatures that were placed here on planet Earth have through time found a way to escape whatever force was keeping them restricted and imprisoned then the use of some crazy story given to Angel/Twangel, TPTB, W&H and anyone else that needed to be manipulated into opening cross dimensional portals - that at least makes some kind of logic. What else could possibly explain this creation of new world? Are we really suppose to accept that a new universe was created by Buffy the fucking vampire slayer and Angel/Twangel, her vampire lover, who is not killing humans and demons whenever he wants because he was cursed into being "Good Vampire."
If Buffy created a "new species or breed" of Slayers this is somehow suppose to throw the entire original balance of the world into such Chaos and Doom. The entire premise of The Chosen ONE was utter stupidity to begin with as a point of balance.

I read on another LJ, and I'm sorry that I cannot give credit, that The Chosen One Slayer worked in the Sunnydale-Hellmouth scenario because it was mostly restricted to that more narrow location and application. The Chosen One worked because of the metaphor, but once you take it out of Sunnydale-Hellmouth, this nonsense of One Slayer vs Demons & Vampires as "balance point" becomes obvious - it is ludicrous in the extreme. If anything, more Slayers is just what is needed to give humans a better defense against the physically superior demons.

Buffy already has stated in the comic book, way in the beginning that this was about Women having and getting power - so why make this whole convoluted story about Sex Vessels and Time Shifts and Universe Origins if one of the fundamental themes being explored is going to be about Women, Warriors and Power? I just don't get any of these - I feel like I am being asked to leave my thinking powers at the door.

The only way that I have been able to make any sense of Buffy Season 8 is with a mirror world/rabbit hole inversion of "Paradise Lost" interpreted with The Buffyverse and Angelverse characters. Spike, I can only see as The Trickster model thrown in for good measure - unless Joss Whedon chooses to use the character in all his descriptive last name glory as a fall guy plot twist.

Thus far, Season 8 seems like a combination of "Paradise Lost" with some "The Lost Horizon" and a good bit of "The Reign Of Fire." And I sure as hell hope that I will be proven as a total ass with the final three issues.
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